Episode Transcript
[00:00:03] Speaker A: You're listening to the remote mom collective podcast, where moms can find their stride in the remote work world. Whether you currently work remotely or you want to, you're in the right place.
I'm Brittany the remote mom, and I've been working remotely since 2007. I became a mom in 2015, and there's a lot to learn. Together, we'll support, inspire, and empower each other on our journey to balance work, life, and motherhood from the comfort of our own homes or wherever we're working remotely. Together, let's redefine what it means to be a working mom. Let's support and inspire each other.
Hello, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of the Remote mom collective podcast. I am Brittany the remote mom, and I am so excited to talk to Brittany Birx today. She and I actually spell our names the exact same way. I don't know that I've ever met another Britney that spells her name the same way.
[00:01:03] Speaker B: I've met one at church, randomly, and I was like, I freaked out because she had her name on her, on her badge. I was like, oh, my gosh. We spell our names the same way, but usually I get the briton eye or the Brettini.
There's no I in the middle there.
[00:01:20] Speaker A: Mm hmm. Yeah. I had somebody ask me once, did your parents drink martinis when they came up with your name? And I was like, no, it's just Britney. Just simple Britney.
[00:01:30] Speaker B: Phonetically correct. That's what I tell people. It's phonetically correct.
[00:01:33] Speaker A: Yes, yes. Well, thank you for being here today, Brittany. And today, I loved your topic idea because it was actually pretty funny. Let me pull it up. Where.
This is where I have my notes all over the place. And now my dog wants out, so, you know, that's fun.
Okay. Today we are talking about managing burnout at home and work. Oh, wait, those are the same place.
That was great. I laughed when I saw that. And, yes, you see the same walls. You don't leave. You can't escape. It can be really overwhelming. So let's just jump in. I'll let you introduce yourself, and then we can just jump into the topic.
[00:02:15] Speaker B: Awesome. Sounds good. So, Brittany Birx, I'm currently living in North Carolina and work out of my lovely Carolina room, as they call it here. It's a sunroom, which, conveniently or not conveniently, is located directly off of my living room and my dining room, which means I can see my work basically at all times. I would say I'm an accidental remote employee or maybe a Covid remote employee. I joined an organization in the height of COVID and for the first six months, worked remotely and eventually ended up telling my boss, like, I'm not sure I actually work for the company that I work for. Like, not feeling the magic could be a shell corporation. Like, can we just, like, meet in an office? Like, so I can get a feel for this? And so kind of going backwards. I'm a lot of things, I feel like, with. As with most moms, I am a mom, I am a spouse.
Happen to be a military spouse. Along with that, and the fun things that come with that myself is retiring soon. So that's a whole other.
[00:03:27] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:03:28] Speaker B: Situation.
[00:03:28] Speaker A: We went through that last year. My husband is retired last year, so we can talk offline about that.
[00:03:34] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. Yes. I need all the tips. Veteran myself. That's how I met my husband, actually, and all the things, right? Like the dog walker, the part time travel coordinator, the camp summer camp program coordinator, the chauffeur, the coach, all the things.
And I thought I had to be all those things, and I thought I had to do all of those things really, really, really well. I was raised that everything was very black and white. There was a right and a wrong. There was no gray, and you had to do everything excellently into the best of your ability, which, over time, working for the organization that I previously worked for was a demanding organization, and I got to the point where I was stressed, burned out, tired, losing hair. That was fun. Over Thanksgiving, when I'm, like, looking. Getting ready for Thanksgiving dinner, right? And I'm like, I have a bald spot. And I, like, rushed to my husband, like, babe, look at my head. Like. And he was kind, and he's like, I don't. I think it's okay.
It wasn't a. It was a bald spot. So I kind of realized something's got to give, right? Like, something's got to. Got to change.
[00:04:50] Speaker A: Yeah. So it almost. I wonder if. I wonder if you worked in an office, how much if, like, if the stress level would have changed, like, do you think that if you had been in an office, you would have had the same stress level, or do you think it was heightened because you were at home, or do you think that if you were in the office, it would be more than what you were dealing with at home?
[00:05:11] Speaker B: I have definitely thought about that.
I love the flexibility of being remote.
I honestly don't think, particularly now, like, our lifestyle could survive if I had to go to an office. Yeah.
But I think the benefit of being in an office is almost. There's a separation. There's a moment where you can decompress. You can come down, you can listen to your podcast. Right? You can do whatever routine before you're bombarded by home life and you have to, like, take off a hat and put on another one and put on another role. Whereas I do feel like working from home. You're still wearing all of these hats, right? So, like, when I get off a meeting at home, my first thoughts, oh, my God, I should put in a load of laundry. You know, like, I need to, like, I gotta, like, stay on it. I can't get behind. I have to, like, be efficient. And that's a. That's exhausting. So I didn't really answer your question because I just. They're both challenging.
[00:06:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:09] Speaker B: They're both hard to navigate. But I do think there are some benefits to working in an office.
You probably have a lifestyle in our location that doesn't work right.
[00:06:21] Speaker A: Well. And what I was thinking, too, as you were saying that, because you're right, as we are home and the dirty dishes are staring us in the face, or the pile of laundry on the laundry chair that keeps piling up like that, that is staring us in the face all day long, depending on where your office is in your house. Whereas if you have that separation and you can go into your office, you're not, that that priority goes out of the way. And if it sits there for a week, which I am, like, I hate doing laundry. My husband is actually the one that does the laundry in the house. Thank goodness, because I hate it so much. And it's, you know, it's out of sight, out of mind kind of thing. So, like, I didn't feel as guilty about it because it wasn't in my face all the time. But I think that because we do have all of those chores sitting, staring at us, being like, you're in between meetings. You can go run the dishwasher really quickly or walk the document room. Document room, right. And some people do that, though, and they have a. They have an organized checklist. There was a girl that I used to work with many years ago, and she had, like, a rotating cleaning schedule. So, like, on Monday, she would, at lunchtime, she would, like, wipe down all of her kitchen counters, and then on Tuesdays, she would go in and, like, clean the bathrooms or whatever that looks like. And actually, that sounded, in theory, like a great idea.
[00:07:36] Speaker B: That's.
[00:07:37] Speaker A: I don't want to do that on my lunch break.
[00:07:39] Speaker B: No, no. And when you're in an office, I mean, you can't. I mean, I guess you could go wipe down, like, the communal kitchen, but that might be a little weird. Yeah, but. But, yeah. And again, like, going back to even, like, I. You have to. You either usually eat lunch, right? So I found even working from home, like, I'll blow right through lunch or else I'll just grab something like a snack or something. So I'm not even eating.
I wasn't eating as healthy, you know, as I would going to an office where I would. I used to pack my lunch back, right. And I was trying to eat healthy. And we did whole party for a while. God, almost killed me.
But, like, we had, like, meal prep, all the things, right? And so that was. Because that was a part of our routine. You know, I. I actually ate better at the office than I could do.
[00:08:27] Speaker A: At home because you have to be more intentional about what you're going to pack in your. In your lunchbox versus I'm going to eat the leftover lasagna that I made for dinner last night for lunch. And you ended up heating up huge portions instead of what you've packed yourself the night before. Yeah. So what are some ways that, you know, working from home? What are some ways that can help you not feel like you're trapped?
[00:08:54] Speaker B: Oh, gosh. So, you know, I had this epiphany that I have to share with you. So I. I work out pretty regularly, and that's been really, really important for, like, my mental health and my physical health. And I get. I get grumpy if I don't work out. My husband will be like, you should. You should go work out. Okay, fine, but I work out my garage.
[00:09:13] Speaker A: So not only, okay, working out this.
[00:09:16] Speaker B: Morning, like, thinking about talking to you, and I was like, crap, I didn't work out my garage. Work out in my garage. I work from home. I'm at home. I think the only time I make sure I leave my place of residence is to take the kids to school.
[00:09:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:34] Speaker B: In the morning. That's kind of my saving grace. I get to get, like, at least get the wave at other adults. Like, real adults, you know, not on the screen. Right.
But I think the first step is really acknowledging it for me again, like, growing up, it was, like, pushed through and also the military mindset. Like, I could do hard things like this.
This is going to get better. And I told myself kind of that lie that, like, after this, it'll. It'll, like, ease up and it'll get better. Like, after the kids are out of school or after I changed my job or after all of these, like, milestones, my brain was telling me, like, it's going to get better, it'll get easier, it'll become more normal. You'll get over it.
But it didn't, you know, and then. And then I'm Thanksgiving day, like, and I've got a freaking bald spot, and I'm 38. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like it's a little too soon that. Yeah, yeah. So I think the first step is, for me, was acknowledging it, okay. And then, like. But then you gotta do something about it. And I think that's the hard part. So I noticed my spot, and it took me three or four more months to finally be like, okay. Like, something. Something's gotta give.
And it's funny because I quote to my kids, like, the insanity quote about, like, hey, you can't continue to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results. Like, that's insanity. But that's exactly what I was doing, right? Over and over and over again. And somehow, like, my mind was telling me, it's going to get, you know, you can get over this. It'll be fine, you know, you're tougher than this, whatever. And, you know, again, like, that didn't happen. And so I did a lot of things I wouldn't necessarily wreck, you know, maybe, like, incrementally doing some of these things, but I made some massive changes.
One of the biggest ones that was really hard for me was going to therapy, actually. It had been a super long time, or a long time coming.
Took me a long time to even admit that I needed therapy. And I honestly, I feel like everybody needs a little bit in their life.
[00:11:50] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:11:52] Speaker B: It's hard. Life is hard.
It took me a really long time to even admit that I needed therapy and then even longer, like, to figure out, like, okay, this is okay. Like, I don't need to know where to start, because that was my biggest fear. I was like, where do we start? Like, do we start when I'm five? You know, start, like, I just don't even know what. Like, what would I say? Um. So that was one of the biggest changes. I was like, okay, I. You know, I need therapy. And I also went to my doctor and I was like, something is happening, right? Like, check me out. Draw the blood, do the test, all of it. And I was honestly really hoping something was, like, physically wrong. And that's terrible, but it's like, you have this or you have a deficiency in this or you have this syndrome. Or, and they're like, no, you, blood pressure is a little, you know, a little elevated, but, like, generally speaking, you're pretty healthy. And I was like, gosh darn it.
Well, okay. It's not like I can pop a vitamin or eat better or do something.
And so she was talking to my doctor, and she's like, have you, you thought about talking to someone?
And I was like, yes, I probably should. So going to therapy for me was a big change, something I needed to do to really kind of unpack and understand, like, all of these expectations that I had for myself. And I think as moms, we do this so frequently where we, like, I love my kids. So therefore, because I love my kids, I'm not allowed to be mad at them or I'm not allowed to really want to throttle them. Figuratively, obviously not literally, but just, and so, again, in therapy, you know, my therapist is like, hey, like, these thoughts can exist together. They can coexist. One doesn't have to win out. One is not right. One is not wrong. It's an, and, like, I love my kids, and they're driving me freaking bananas, right? Or they're not living up to their potential, or I don't know if I, like, I don't know if we're gonna make it through fifth grade, which is where we're at right now, and the end of the school year.
So, again, like, I'm trying to build my toolbox and combat a lot of these thoughts.
I've also noticed that I. My love language is acts of service, which is not. I was like, could not have been an easier one, you know? Like, why can't it be gifts? Yes.
Even, like, words of affirmation, just. No, it's basically like acts of service, which, you know, that's usually how we show love. And so I try to have people for dinner and look out for folks and. And do things for neighbors, particularly in our military community, while spouses and partners are gone.
And I'm genuine and nice to all these people.
But when it comes to my internal talk track, this is, again, something that was highlighted in therapy. It's like my internal. I'm a jerk to myself.
I'm meant to. And I would never say some of the things to others, even to my kids, that I would say to myself. And it happens on a regular basis. And so those are like, I'm still not there, right? I'm not fixed. Like, it's a regular battle, but it's realizing that, like, oh, yeah, that's not very nice.
[00:15:27] Speaker A: Yeah, you know, I love that you said that, because that is something that I'm realizing, too. And I'm not in therapy, but I have gone to a couple of sessions, and I need to. I would like to go back. Um, but I think in general, as women, we are not nice to ourselves. We're constantly telling ourselves how ugly we look or how tired we look or how fat. I mean, I had a dream last night that I was, like, extremely overweight. And I woke up this morning, like, depressed, you know, and I'm like, I'm not shallow like that. Like, it made me feel, you know, and I was. I was ugly to myself in my dream, which you probably.
How I really. I mean, that's really how I am in real life. You know, I'm just not nice to myself. And so I think you're right. That's a good place to start, is understanding the words that you say to yourself and your internal talk track.
How are you. And I. How. What are you doing to help improve that?
[00:16:28] Speaker B: Oh, lord, it's rough.
[00:16:30] Speaker A: Like, it's.
[00:16:31] Speaker B: You know, I have these. I have, like, cards that I carry around. I've kind of put post it different places, kind of remind myself of some of the tools. That's what my therapist is calling. Like, put tools in the toolbox to combat some of these thoughts. And she basically said, like, look, like, we're not going to get rid of this stuff. And I realized I'm also spending. I'm spending so much time trying to stop thinking about, like, thinking that way or, like, that's a mean thought, or I shouldn't be saying, you know, thinking. That's my. Whatever it is. Trying to not think about something. And what happens when you try to not think about something?
[00:17:04] Speaker A: Oh, you think about it. Yeah. That's all you can think about.
[00:17:06] Speaker B: We spend all our time distracted by. And she had me, like, hold up a folder right in front of my face, like, to, like, physically practice this, and I was like, okay, what are you thinking about? The folder and the fact that my arms are tired. Right.
And so I'm, you know, I have visual cues, you know, set up.
I really should be meditating, probably, but I get really distracted being super honest and, like. Like, my mental, like, to do list starts to creep in, meditating. So it's slow progress and even, like, going to therapy. Like, I didn't want to go. I went yesterday, and I was like, I was very close to just calling and being like, I'm not feeling super great. Like, I'm just not gonna come and I hadn't really done a lot of the work that she'd asked of me, that the previous week, the previous week was just a tough week, but I was like, no, that's probably all the more reason to go. So trying to stay, stay at it and understand that it's not like, it's not something you fix necessarily. It is a evolution. I've been talking to myself like this for probably like 38 years, give or take a few. In the beginning, it's going to take a while. And being, giving myself grace, I think that's another thing is like, hey, like, again, as moms, like, we expect so we want to be good at everything. We see everybody's highlight reel, which I buy. And I hate that. I still like, but I still look right and I still, like, have those thoughts about, oh, they're going to the Bora Bora, the Bahamas, and like, how do you do this? When do you have time to do that?
And so the comparison game starts to creep in. And so I think it's just being aware, giving yourself time and space to reflect. So therapy is one of the things that I did. I also did it. I made a couple of other kind of major changes, again, not fully endorsing all of these, maybe just try one at a time. But I also switched jobs.
So the company I was working for before I was a manager and I was remote, but I was an exception.
So an exception policy because of my military spouse status.
And it felt hypocritical from being really honest. Like, that caused a lot of stress because I also had to lecture my team. I was like, you need to be in the office. You have to be in the office a certain amount of time, a certain amount of days while I'm sitting in my sunroom in North Carolina. Now, mind you, I didn't, I didn't choose North Carolina. The government told us to be here. But still, it just, that caused a lot of, a lot of stress, too.
[00:19:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:51] Speaker B: And so I, I switched jobs. I went from being a manager to being an individual contributor again, which is what I am right now.
And it's been a lot less stressful. I'm being really honest. Yeah.
[00:20:04] Speaker A: You know, I think, I think the question that I asked earlier where I said, do you think that you would feel it if you were in the office versus at home? And I think that example right there, if you were in an office, you wouldn't have felt that, that hypocritical stress.
[00:20:17] Speaker B: No.
[00:20:18] Speaker A: Of like, telling your employees to be in the office and, yeah, so what are some other, like, because we are at home all the time and you had a really good idea of, like, working out. And that's how I get out of my house is I actually do. I go to one of those boot camp style classes and I try to go twice a week and the classes are 45 minutes. And so, like, I can go at lunche and it's 45 minutes and then I come back. And so it's a nice mental break in the day away from my computer, and I can't, like, check my phone while I'm, you know, in the class to see what's going on. And, and so that's been super helpful to kind of get out of the house. But I know that before I was able to get out of the house, I mean, I remember we were stationed in San Diego many years ago when my daughter was younger. And everybody's like, oh, San Diego is such a great place to be. It's, you know, beaches and sunny and all of, and I'm like, yeah, it's great. But, like, when you don't have a community and you work from home constantly and you're by yourself. Because my husband was on a ship and he was gone all the time. We had no family nearby, and all I was doing was working from, I would wake up in the morning, walk my daughter to preschool, come home, work all day long by myself, then go pick her up from preschool, and then come home. And I was home with the two year old by myself for the rest of the night. And this was constant. And so, and I never gave myself the grace. Like, I didn't try to reach out to friends because I knew that we were only there temporarily. And, like, by the time I found a friend, it would be time to move, you know? So I'm like, yep, stick it out. Stick it out. It'll be better. It'll be better. But those were the worst couple of years of my life, and I feel like those were wasted years because I didn't even try to do anything.
[00:22:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah.
[00:22:08] Speaker A: So you're right about recognizing it at first. Like, recognizing that you are stuck and then doing something to make that action, to make the next step. And it can be a simple action. It can be going for a walk outside on your lunch break or something like that to get out.
[00:22:26] Speaker B: Absolutely. Or even, like, if there's a way to physically separate your work environment and say, you know, like, can we, can we put it in the closet? Can we close the doors? And that's. So I, again, like, I, you know, our sunroom is connected to both our living room and our dining room. We live in base housing. We didn't choose this house. Right? Like, we were killing this house. Super thankful, don't get me wrong. But, like, not my dream home.
My dream home would include, like, literally a shed that was, like, physically separated. So I at least had to have, like, a little bit of a walk to the house.
[00:23:00] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:23:01] Speaker B: That's your community. Yes. Yeah. Like, something. But, like, even, like, I started, like, physically closing the doors of my office, and I'm also recognizing that, like, am I living to work? Am I working to live? Like, which. Which one is it, really? And also, like, trying to remind myself, like, what is truly important, you know? And for me, it's. It's my kids and it's my spouse, and, you know, it's walking the dogs, and it's trying to, you know, be physically active and connect with friends. And I think that's another thing that I found. Like, I wear, like, I am in therapy, like, a badge of honor, right. Just because I feel like people don't talk about it.
[00:23:44] Speaker A: No.
[00:23:44] Speaker B: And people don't talk about burnout. And people, probably everybody on my street knows about my bald spot, but I just, like, I just feel like it's so important to share, like, that burnout is real, that moms were totally the ogs to the burnout culture. Like, this was nothing. You know, maybe it's been made trendy in the last, like, year or two, right? But, like, moms have lived this, breathe this, and it's. Regardless of whether I don't like the term stay at home mom, honestly, I used to refer. I used to when I asked folks, like, does your spouse work in the home or outside of the home? And then we. But then we have the struggle, like, well, I don't think we have to clarify, actually. Like, hey, you work in the home, whether you work for a organization or you work for a small toddler, right? Like, you're all still working. And I would. I would, you know, definitely hazard a guess that, like, the toddler can be a slightly more demanding.
[00:24:41] Speaker A: Oh, sure.
[00:24:43] Speaker B: Like, either way, like, we're all. We're all working, and I. And recognizing, like, we. I don't think we were created to be alone.
[00:24:51] Speaker A: Right?
[00:24:51] Speaker B: Like, we were supposed to be in a community.
And the finding community can be hard. That's something even I'm trying to help my fifth grader navigate right now, help her understand that, like, hey, your community might not be at school, or it might not be who you think it might be like trying to look for the person who also looks like they might be alone or standing at the back or, like, maybe is uncomfortable.
Like, trying to reach out to somebody that maybe doesn't fit your mold or your idea of who you think your person should or shouldn't be because you might be surprised.
So I think, like, sharing this information and even that's why I was like, when I saw your post on LinkedIn, and I was like, I do want to share this information. And I have been sharing it, you know, in my neighborhood and my friend group, and it's been slightly uncomfortable. Right. Just share it with you and potentially know this is going to be shared with people that I don't know, you know, but hopefully, I'm hoping that it helps. Right. And I think the more we can get off that message that, like, hey, life is hard and we're meant to do it together and finding that community in some way, even if it's uncomfortable at first. And, hey, like, you don't need this whole posse of friends.
You know, movies and books have ruined friendship circles and trips and things. I feel like, for all of us. Yeah, but it's just like living life, doing life together, right. And letting the folks in the home. That kitchen is dirty.
Like, hey, we're having burgers. Like, you wanna come? You know, like, bring something? Cause all I've got is burgers, you know, and, like, kind of lowering those expectations for ourselves and for others and just like, you know, letting people in, I think is really important.
[00:26:37] Speaker A: Yes, I think that is very important. And you're right, it is uncomfortable. But there's. There's growth in that discomfort, for sure. And that's one of the things my daughter, just because school just let out for the summer, I'm in Atlanta, and school just let out for the summer two weeks ago. My daughter will be in fourth grade next year. But one of the things that I always tell her is to be the first. So if you see somebody that looks sad or if you see somebody that might need to be a friend, be the first person to say hello or smile or be kind, because a lot of people won't, because they're too afraid. And you never know what's going to happen if you do it first. And if they're not, if they don't reciprocate, then that's okay. But at least you know that you tried your best to reach out to them to help build that community.
And I like, also what you said about it doesn't have to be a big posse of people. I actually just recorded an episode yesterday with Laura early from Wise advise, and we were talking about the importance of community. And it doesn't have to be a full group of people. It can be one person that you just check in with or that you constantly that just knows who you are and can understand you and help. Help keep you in check. That's really. You just need one person.
[00:27:56] Speaker B: Absolutely. Absolutely.
[00:27:58] Speaker A: And it's a lot easier to find one person than it is, like, a whole group of people.
[00:28:02] Speaker B: It totally is. It totally is. Yeah. So, yeah, just, you know, again, like, acknowledging, for me was, like, the first.
[00:28:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:12] Speaker B: And then doing something, you know, could be going to a coffee shop, like, changing your environment. Yeah. For a short amount of time. Doesn't have to be, like, an all day affair. Right. Like, I will. Sometimes after I drop the kids off, there's a coffee shop with, like, the best breakfast burrito.
For clarity, though, still not as good as, like, San Diego breeze, because we were also there in San Diego, and there's just nothing like a San Diego burrito, but the best that I can find where we're currently. Where we are currently.
And so I'll just bring my computer or my laptop with me, and I'll do a little bit of work, eat my breakfast burrito, maybe drink a coffee. And I don't necessarily interact with anyone, but it's just a change of environment.
[00:28:52] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:28:52] Speaker B: For a short amount of time until I can not stand my second and third monitor that I have for my stuff, and then I have to go back.
[00:29:01] Speaker A: Of course, it's a game changer to have those extra monitors. Like, I know it's hard to travel with those. You can't really go to a coffee shop with your two monitors.
[00:29:12] Speaker B: They might look a little strange.
[00:29:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's a really good point, too, is to change your environment for sure now as we come up on time. This conversation has been awesome, by the way. I'm getting such great information from you, and I loved learning about your story. But is there anything else that you think would be beneficial for the listeners to hear from you, to hear about your story? Just to wrap up everything or maybe something that we didn't touch on?
[00:29:40] Speaker B: I just think I know a lot of us moms probably tell people, like, sharing is caring.
[00:29:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:45] Speaker B: Right? So going. Going back to, like, being willing to share your story, whether it's, you know, on a podcast or it's on LinkedIn or it's just in your friend group, but keep on, like, stepping out and sharing that you're struggling. And asking for help is very powerful because, again, we are, you know, we were created to be in a community. We're created to be together.
And so just don't be afraid to ask. Ask for help. And, you know, you don't have to shoulder the load and be everything to everyone. Like, it's. It's okay to have a bad day. We tell our kids all the time, right? Like, it's, you know, like, you had a bad day. Like, it's okay. And we can. We can have bad days like that. That is. That is okay.
[00:30:35] Speaker A: I love it. So good. Such good nuggets of information. Britney, thank you so much for coming on today and sharing your story.
If people want to connect with you, what are some great ways that they can? Is it email? Are you on social? What's the best?
[00:30:49] Speaker B: Oh, gosh, sure. Email is totally fine. Happy to talk to anyone. I am on LinkedIn.
I guess I'm not super active on social media, partially because that's a protection for myself, but probably LinkedIn is the best way. I love to connect and I do love to help people, particularly moms that are transitioning back to the workforce. I had a big gap of employment. I hate that term, though, because I elected to be at home with kids for, like, four years, and navigating back into the corporate workforce was dota.
[00:31:35] Speaker A: You know what? Let's bring you back on to talk about that specifically, okay. Because that is actually a topic that comes up all the time. So we'll schedule another time for you to come back because I think that could be something that our audience really definitely wants to hear, so. Absolutely love it. All right, well, thanks so much, listeners. Thank you for listening today. And as we say here on the remote mom collective podcast, being different makes a difference. So let's support and inspire each other. Thanks, everybody.
